Nationalism and massacres, justified without debate?
Hier kun je discussieren over Nationalism and massacres, justified without debate?.
Bizzare sectarian propaganda
The post in question is an opinion piece to be found here :https://www.indymedia.nl/node/56129. It reports on a postering action portraying a faction of the sectarian confl;ict in the levant as 'freedom fighters' and legitimizing an indicriminate raid on a largely civilian group, including killings and abductions, as an act of 'resolute resistance to colonial violence'.'
The posters reported on and the post reporting it lack any kind of reflection and is so bluntly partisan, that it might lust as well be a false flag operation, aimed at justifying the attack of the ';colonizers' millitary machinery on the civiilan population those 'freedom fighter' where tens of thousands gor killed and whole cties destroyed.
Not even the posts own rethoric ('the biggest "price" for liberation is paid in the blood of the people of Gaza.' and 'the innumerable sacrifices they make in becoming martyrs for the sake of liberation') seems to disturb their 'own narrative', as if the 'people of Gaza' had collectively decided to become the cannon fodder for the cause of
a nationalist religious movements vision and the dead bodies under the ruins of their cities.
Stiffed debate by a movement medium
All said in the post and all said here is still opinion as unpallateable it might be to partisans of either cause and by no means would i normally ask indymedia to remove the original post.
Conversely, the fact that the comment&reply option has been disabled is not acceptable, especially bevcause the piece is framed as an opinion, and should allow for debate per definition. It also takes all other indymedia posters and readers hostage to a cause they might not support.
Therefore: reinstate the comment function or remove the post !
Really Indy ....
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Good thing that you wrote a
Good thing that you wrote a reaction to the postering action. Here's the link to the action in question: https://indymedia.nl/node/56129
I think your reaction is justified, i was wondering why the post went past so silently but didn't realise the comments had been turned off which is a shame. All too often people accept this kind of stuff due to identitarian positioning (which is devouring the autonomous left), which is too bad, as if your ideas don't mean anything anymore.
In my vision the only poster i have a problem with is the one with the saluting Al-Qassam fighter. The other posters depict the targeting of military equipment/personel, and therefor is justified regardless of person/faction/ideology carrying it out (although i cannot read arabic and therefor don't know what the slogan says). The method is one which is essential in all revolutionary struggles.
But lets also analyse the poster in question. We're also quick to chuck around terminology these days, to silence eachother instead of having a debate which could push the struggle forward. As i talked about methods before, let's focus on that. I'll leave the religious-fundamentalist-nationalist ideology and political ambitions of the Al-Qassam Brigades/HAMAS out of this for this reaction as it is besides the point imo. Just as the events of oct 7th are. It's obvious that context and rupturing happenings push our ideas in certain directions on occasion, but they are ideas nonetheless, therefor require consistency.
So what elements does this poster contain?
- militaristic pose + behaviour/salute, a salute in this manner always entails a hierarchy
- the use of children for war propaganda
- patriarchy (all hail the man with the big gun)
- glorification and romanticizing of a (para)military and the devastating war and genocide in Gaza
So these elements combined are enough to make me shudder... I have absolutely no affinity with what the poster is portraying.